In this Season 2 premiere, Enn recaps Law & Order's Season 2 premiere Confessions (cue the Usher track!). Matt then explains how this episode is loosely inspired by the case of The State of Arizona vs. Oreste Fulminante and the subsequent precedents set forth. 

Voiceover 00:00

In this true crime law and order podcast, the episodes are presented by two separate yet equally ridiculous individuals, one who researches the actual crime and the other who recaps the episode. These are their stories.

Enn Burke 00:15

Here we are, it's season two.

Matt Molinaro 00:18

It's season two, I can't even believe it.

Enn Burke 00:21

I'm excited. I have a couple of I have actually have a lot of things to discuss.

Matt Molinaro 00:27

Yay. Okay.

00:28

So my first item is, you know how I had the running bet of like number of dog discoveries, number of cop openings. Okay. I was going to propose that we consider that I got it. All right. And we start with a new set of predictions for season two.

Matt Molinaro 00:47

I'm going to modify that request.

00:51

Because you don't want me to you don't want me to when I hear you're praying for my downfall

Matt Molinaro 00:54

if you didn't have another dog discovery, and that was critical.

00:58

You did not wait. But I'm proposing that we just like kind of wipe the slate clean with season two,

01:02

we can wipe the slate clean with season two, but we can't say that it's because you won. We could just call the other one a wash. nobody wins. Nobody loses. You did well, he did very well.

01:11

Okay. All right. That's fine. I'll take that. I yeah, I just didn't want you to have to worry about tracking multiple guesses. It would

01:18

be hard. Honestly, when I was doing the math, and I was like, how many episodes into this season, I was like, I can't be bothered.

01:25

So do you want to hear my guesses for season two? I'd love to. Okay. So, season two, I'm going to propose that there are three different instances of and I'm not going to count the first episode, I'm willing to just give that one away, because I already watched it. But I'm guessing that there are going to be three pieces of evidence picked up by a pencil or pen.

Matt Molinaro 01:49

Okay,

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there are going to be no less than four Beat Cop openings. Okay, there will be two discoveries in the trash in the season. Like it doesn't, you know, they'll find it in the trash. They'll see it on a random pile of trash like they love to do on the street, there will be two trash discoveries. And then my last one is there will be one dog discovery in all of season two.

02:14

Okay, I like okay, this is a lot. I like all of it. I have a question. I want clarification on the trash discovery. Okay, does that also count? Is that just evidence? Or is it like the body because they often find it in the trash.

02:29

I was envisioning it as discovering evidence in the trash. But I think a body or like the evidence of the crime, but I'm willing to limit it. If you think that's too generous, I

02:38

can just do evidence in the trial, I would challenge you to just do evidence because I feel like the other one will happen in like probably four episodes.

02:48

Okay, all right. So three pieces of evidence picked up by a pen or pencil for Beat Cop openings, two discoveries of evidence in the trash and one dog discovery and the dog discovery can either be the crime or that because that one's true. Yeah, I

Matt Molinaro 03:02

agree. I think that one's fair. I like that. Okay. Okay.

03:05

Item number two, I realized during season one, Myles and I were watching, married at first sight, we were catching up from the very beginning, which there are 12 seasons of and so it really dominated a lot of our TV viewing. And we are done with it. And so now I'm actually getting back into watching, like decent things on television. Because married at first sight is great is great, but it's terrible. And so now I have a few like things that we've talked about that I finally watched and things that I want to either recommend or talk about with you. Okay, great. Have you the first one is have you watched the undoing on HBO with Nicole Kidman? I've heard of it. But I've not seen it. No. You've watched Big Little Lies that right with Reese Witherspoon and Yes, okay. So good. It's very similar. Like it's It's Nicole Kidman at her peak, which is playing a woman who is silently suffering like that is her character that she was meant to play. And it's the same character in this show a little different. And she's great. She's phenomenal in it. It's a really, really good show. It's got her it's got Hugh Grant and a few other kind of noteworthy actors whose names I'm forgetting at the moment but it's definitely one you should put on your list if it's not on your list.

04:23

I do think the little trailer I saw for it was very compelling. I laughed because we just watched last night a you know Seth Meyers?

Enn Burke 04:31

I do. Okay, yeah.

04:32

So he does these like little clips for YouTube. And he did one the other day we're just watching it last night where he he's talking about I don't know why he brings up the joke but he talks about how Nicole Kidman and every and everything she's in is just in something very flowy as like, as like someone who's like has a dangerous has been or something or Yes, always just sort of like closed lipped about it and just ready to burst but she's really doing Oh, In these roles lately, I have to say I think she was hit or miss and she's, she's turned her opinion of me she said hidden in

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she, there's a lot of scenes in both Big Little Lies and the undoing where she's like, you know, standing out on a deck and she's wearing a cardigan with too much fabric that she kind of like, you know, it's a thin fabric and she kind of like touches it against her face as the wind is like whipping her hair, and she's reflecting on the choices that have led her to this moment in her life. It's a lot of that and it's it's pretty great.

Matt Molinaro 05:31

Okay, great. I'm gonna watch

05:32

I always say, I've talked about this before, I think in reference to the Gilmore Girls were the main actress whose again, name I'm forgetting, but Bradley's Lorelei, Lauren Graham, thank you. She, I really, really respect her as an actor because she's able to play the smaller emotions with a really high level of skill. You know, like the, it's not over the top anger or over the top sadness. It's like the Oh, my heart is breaking. And I have to cover that up right now kind of emotions. And Nicole Kidman also has that acting ability, I think like playing the small emotions really, really well.

06:10

I agree. And I think that seeing Reese Witherspoon in Big Little Lies and little fires everywhere. I have to say she does really, really well with that, too. And I wouldn't have said that previously about her either. So no.

06:25

Agreed. Okay. Second, I finished the I'll be gone in the dark documentary. Then. Michelle McNamara documentary. Okay. I'll finish soccer. Yeah. Okay. Well, okay. Well, I guess I can't talk about the ending of it, though. But I originally I think the last time we talked about it, I said that it was okay. And I was enjoying it. But it felt like I guess I didn't realize that the documentary was as much about Michelle's process of researching and writing the book. I'll be going in the dark as it was about the actual crimes. Yeah,

Matt Molinaro 06:57

you mentioned that on my test.

07:00

It still ends up that way. But it's really it's a good documentary, I definitely recommend watching it. The one thing that's weird to me, though, is fun. Fun fact, in the 80s, I think it's the 80s, late 70s, early 80s, the Night Stalker attacked and killed a couple of people here in Santa Barbara. And they talk about how through the investigation, they believe he was sort of traveling through creeks, like creek beds to get away from, you know, not be on roads and things like that. Yeah. And it's so funny, because in the in the knightstalker documentary, they talk about the San Jose Creek and that is literally the creek that is next to my house. And several of the attacks and murders were literally on the other side of the creek for me, which is I walk through it past it every single day. And it's so funny because in the documentary, they're like, the it's like the voiceover. It's like in the San Jose Creek at 3am. Nobody would dare walking through It's so scary and dangerous. And I'm like I literally walk by I've walked through that Creek at night before all the time. So you're being a little dramatic. You could have talked to a couple of residents who live near it, but of course, you know, hey, that's item number two. Okay, item number three. Season Three of the sinner came out which have you ever watched seasons one and two with the first one was with Jessica Biel.

08:22

Okay. So I have something to say.

Enn Burke 08:27

Okay, great.

08:27

I've not seen it. It's on our list for sure. I didn't have any interest in seeing it for the longest time. Because the only things I've ever seen Jessica Biel in have been seventh heaven. Terrible.

08:40

Oh, there.

08:42

And then like I was at Starship Troopers or some sort of like, sci fi poorly made action movie. She

Enn Burke 08:51

was the one Denise Richards is and I think

08:53

that's the one she's in but she was in something like that. So I've never really viewed her as an actress. But now, I've heard so many incredible things about the center. I've watched the trailer. I've seen her on like interviews and things and I think I am not giving her credit that she's not a teenager anymore. So now, like high on my list, but I had zero interest until like basically listening to my favorite murder and hearing them reference it. Yes.

09:17

So season three just came out. I finished it. I won't spoil anything. But it stars Matt bomer. And he's phenomenal. I

Matt Molinaro 09:25

love her and him. Love her.

09:27

Well. It works. And Bill Pullman of course is is kind of like the main actor who's in all seasons. He's the detective guy. Okay, season one I think was the best but I've still really enjoyed seasons two and three season I think we talked about this on our other podcast how I also always thought Jessica Biel was this terrible actress, and she's phenomenal in the center. And I think I've shared the story that she was such a big fan of bojack horseman that she wrote to them and, and they do parodies of celebrities on bojack horseman all the time and she was like, I I love your show so much. Please put me in as a parody character. And they were like, we'll do one better come be yourself and like, do the voice acting for yourself on the show. And so Jessica Biel voices herself on the show and the like running gag on bojack horseman is that she's this horrendous actress, but she's actually really, really talented. And I just love actors who are willing to be in on the joke about themselves in that way. And it's so good. So I like her. I like her a lot. Now, I would love to see her and more.

Matt Molinaro 10:30

I don't think you've told that story yet. And I'm really glad you did.

10:34

I thought I'd said that before. Yeah, she's like a big, big fan of bojack horseman. It was like, please put me on the show. I'm into it. It's so funny. And then lastly, I finally watched framing Brittany. Oh, yay. Okay. And it was good. I feel like it was unlike a documentary, which I think is often trying to convey sort of one specific point. It kind of talked about a lot of different elements of it. Yeah. But again, really focused on just how terrible like it's funny. They they talk a lot about how awful the media was to her. But that's almost not the point so much as kind of showing how much her life has been controlled by other people as a way of talking about the conservatorship when I think they could have made something almost entirely just about the way that she was treated in the media. Yeah. And that was hard to what like the Star Search. What was that guy's name? Was that Ed McMahon? Yeah, him saying like, Do you have a boyfriend? That's a creepy thing to ask like a nine year old girl, dude.

Matt Molinaro 11:36

But you saw this kind of stuff all the time.

11:39

Oh, yeah. I think we talked about how like, I hope we're Kinder now than we were back then. Because it's it's honestly shocking to go wow, I cannot believe the wave that they have asked her these questions and things like that, like the fact that diane sawyer made her listen to a woman talk about how she wanted to shoot Britney Spears, because she was such a bad role model. It's like, why did why are we doing this? I can't believe

12:03

watching that back was very hard. Because I remember when it was happening, everything with her. I remembered seeing all the clips when it was happening. And I had conveniently chosen to forget, I guess all of the signs that she was, you know, a human being. Like, yeah, totally. You know, she was frustrated in almost every interview. You can see it you could like see her frustration. Mia. I mean, so bad. It's terrible.

Enn Burke 12:32

Okay, do you have something?

Matt Molinaro 12:33

I've one? recommendation?

12:36

Okay. Good, because I just have a random thing to say before we start, but I would love to hear your recommendation.

12:43

Okay, because you have no choice. I just watched this last night. I think it's pretty new. It's a it's I was on Hulu. It was a 2020 special. So it's not like you know, anything hard to find if you have cable, but it was on a case that happened in Idaho. And it's called the grave turkers wife and it's an ABC 2020 special. And it's insane. And and a good portion of it happens in Rexburg, Idaho. Okay, yeah. Okay. And so when we were there, I want to say, I don't know, April, we actually drove past the house and stopped because they made like a memorial at the house where this crime happened. And there's like a whole fence where it's been, like, posted over by like signs and flowers and, you know, in memory of these victims of this heinous, heinous crime and so we actually saw the site where it happened and saw like, the impact in the community and so it's it was pretty interesting to now see the actual special come out about it, highly recommend it called the the grave diggers wife Yeah, the grave diggers wife it's I think it came out just like a few weeks ago and it's 2020 special really just watch the very beginning where they say this case has this that this and that and you're gonna be like what the hell Okay, hey, everything

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I just added to my list that documentary or Netflix series that you were telling me about? That's all the like firsthand footage of like ring doorbells and cell footage of that family where that I think the story is he killed his wife and co American murder the family next door. There's also a documentary that's really popular right now called murder among the Mormons. Oh, have you watched it? Or have you? It's on my list.

14:32

It's on my list now, too. I was gonna watch it last night, but Davey fell asleep early and I felt like I couldn't watch that without him.

14:38

That makes sense. Okay. My last thing before we get into the episode is this is a quick this is a pop quiz. Describe okay. Describe the monopoly man.

14:48

Let's see his white hair under his top hat. He's got a mustache, a little suit. I think he's got I can't remember if he has a cane or not. He might have a cane. I might be thinking the planners prenup but he definitely has a suit and a little top hat and I believe a mustache. Anything else?

Enn Burke 15:05

No,

15:06

he has a white hair. I think he's got full black eyes probably.

Enn Burke 15:10

Does. Does he have a monocle?

Matt Molinaro 15:13

No, that's the peanut guy.

15:15

Okay, it's so funny. I was listening to an episode of sisterhood called the Mandela effect where there are people who who talk about this is mainly about Nelson Mandela. But a lot of people talk about how people like vehemently remember the monopoly man having a monocle and then you know, of course he doesn't. And people are probably confusing it with the planters peanut guy. But there's this whole weird online phenomenon of people swearing Up, down left and right that they have distinct memories of Nelson Mandela dying and watching his funeral on on television and it didn't happen.

15:54

I don't experience that with the monopoly man. But as soon as you asked me if he had a monocle, I knew you were going to talk about the Mandela effect. Because I love those videos. I experienced that with the berenstein bears one.

16:09

Okay. They talked about that on the episode. It is in my childhood memory. It is Stein St. He is not an A. Oh, yeah.

16:17

Yeah, exactly. Oh, and there's the other moment because damn right or was Sinbad in the movie? Yeah,

16:23

she's 11 because yeah, yeah, that

16:25

one that one always gets me to.

16:26

Well, should we now that we're half an hour in? Should we start talking about the episode?

16:32

Yeah, why not? Are you ready? Um, Is he alright,

16:35

I know. I'm ready. I think I gave us a little bit of a spoiler in the season finale of the first episode, or first season, because I said that greevey is not on the show anymore. And so this episode kind of explains what happens. So season two, Episode One is called confession. And it opened

16:57

screaming in the room and

16:59

I was actually thinking isn't Usher these are my confessions

17:02

See, that's the difference between our minds.

17:07

Well, we just Lindsay Lohan have a song called confession

17:09

Confessions of a broken heart. Oh, daughter, the father.

17:15

Daughter the Father. Yeah. Oh, is that the same song?

17:17

Yeah, I think it's called Confessions of a broken heart. Okay, parentheses,

17:21

parentheses. Daughter to father, parent. Medical titles make me laugh really hard, especially on a song. Like, okay, like, it's like, I just think it's funny that Lindsay Lohan thought she wrote a song that's complicated enough that it needed a like additional title.

17:37

You know, right. Like when someone reads like poetry inspired by someone else. And they're like, after Gandhi, but it's

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after Lindsay Lohan. Yes. Oh, Lindsay. Okay. So it opens in the police station. And Robinette is basically chastising Logan for giving too much detail about a case involving corruption in a construction business that there's like, supplies being stolen, and it's part of this big racket. And there's this trial going on where they have Logan and greavy set to testify about the things that they've observed. In this case, you know, the trials in progress from what we learned from this scene, and essentially they say that gravy, we'll be back tomorrow to give up some names on the stand. So then we get a scene where Logan is calling grevious house to talk to greavy and his wife is answering the phone. And this is the first time we've ever met his wife or seen his house. It's this very dramatic scene. It's like dark and stormy. It's raining hard. There's like lightning flashing outside. And his wife on the phone who I can't remember if we ever got her name, but I think it's something like Carla or something like that. Okay, yeah, I don't remember she says that. She says that Max is outside rummaging around in the trunk. And you know, he's always taking so long and she kind of is on the very, very long corded phone and says, oh, now he's out there, gabbing with somebody, then she kind of like sees this like second figure force greavy to kneel down and she's like, Oh, my God, no. And then he gets shot twice in the back. And once in the face. And Logan what all he hears is Marie, say oh my god, no and drop the phone. And Logan is screaming Oh, her name is Marie. Oh, that's ryrie Marie, and then it kind of fades to black and we get the title sequence. So I just take a quick flight to France. I toured the Louvre and I came back and we're back to the episode.

19:44

You must had a few minutes to spare.

19:46

I did. I mean, I toured the I looped the Louvre a couple of times just because I was like, probably not time yet. And then, you know, got my flight back and I was like, Okay, perfect, perfect timing. I actually had time to pop a little popcorn before.

19:58

That's the fancy says The version of loop to blue

20:02

Loop The Loop, loop de loop.

20:05

Alright, so this after the title sequence, we get a scene that opens with bagpipes, which is their absolute favorite instrument on this show. I feel like we've seen bagpipes at least three times. Maybe there should be a season long bet on will we get bagpipes? Maybe they'll go to a party get bagpipes another time.

20:23

Maybe a key tar a key tar.

20:25

If we get a key tar. Listen, if we get a key tar at any point in the 20 season, lawn order series, I'm going to be really excited.

Matt Molinaro 20:35

I mean, it's the 90s

20:36

Yeah, so it's grievous funeral. He's dead. We never see him. I'm actually not sure if they even had greevey play himself, because the sort of shadowy figure we see getting shot we don't ever see details. So who knows if he was even he was laying himself he

Matt Molinaro 20:51

was and I looked at that. Oh,

20:53

well, great. Thank you. You're welcome. Also, they are so they're it Logan, and the other pallbearers are carrying the casket. And this casket is as empty as the coffee cups on Gilmore Girls, because they're lifting it like they're playing light as a feather stiff as a board. Like you just see them like slightly shift their hand and the whole thing kind of like tips around until there is nothing inside of that casket. I'm actually not I'm pretty sure it's not even a casket. Because it's all wrapped up in a flag. Yeah, it's probably just like an empty box, you know, put some put something in there just to give it a little bit of weight so that it looks believable,

Matt Molinaro 21:27

very little sweat on their brow, you know?

21:31

Yeah, have them kind of like they lifted up. It's not like greevey was a small man, either. No. So we're at the week, this whole episode is really about Logan being out of sorts and dealing with the murder of his partner. He goes and talks to Craig and stone and Robin, who are at the wake as well. And they talked about how this is obviously connected to the trial that they were in process with, because why else would he have been randomly killed the night before he was supposed to give grand jury testimony. So they're like, Okay, we've got to start tracking down leads on anybody who knows anything about this case, and who could have leaked information that could have gotten greevey killed who had the witness list who got that out there for people. This episode is also kind of peppered in with scenes where Logan is obviously forced to go and talk to a police psychiatrist, who is a very one dimensional character who just has like three or four lines that she says to Logan, he is clearly not interested in having any part of like, quote, unquote, closure or healing. He doesn't clearly doesn't believe in psychotherapy. He is like, Can I go now? I'm fine. And she asks him if he's ever heard of the seven stages of grief. And he's like, no, come on, when he said that. I was like, who hasn't heard of that? Because when did that become popularly known? Because I feel like who doesn't know about the seven stages of grief?

Matt Molinaro 23:02

That's like, 80s. Come on. Have you ever and she says that as though she's proposing some sort of like, deep dive case study that he would have never heard of? Have you heard of bait? Hit me Baby One More Time? Like it was just like, have you heard of milk?

23:21

What's that? By the way, the seven stages of grief is a grief model developed by Kubler Ross. And I think they were both on friends. And I can't find a date on it. But there's things published about their study from like the 90s. And there's a Renee brown episode

Matt Molinaro 23:41

about it.

23:42

Oh, yeah. And it's from Okay, it's from a 1969 book called on death and dying. So, you know, I don't know, okay. Also, it's Kubler Ross not Kubler Ross. Sorry about that. So he says no, but she's like, the first stage is denial. And he's like, I'm fine. And then walks out the door. So that's kind of the tension that we get the whole episode is everybody is like, I'm fine.

Matt Molinaro 24:07

I was fine.

24:08

Also Logan's, like falling apartness is being conveyed through a wide variety of hair choices. Because there are a number of scenes where he is very obviously, like, supposed to be struggling and you know, a mess. And that is portrayed predominantly through his hair. Like there's no gel, it's messy. It's in his face. You know, that's, they were like, well, they're really not doing that great job of acting. So we gotta gotta bring the hair and makeup. You

24:38

really try to make a lot of visual cues for the audience.

24:41

Yes. So cragin talks to Logan about a detective named Phil serrata. From the I think 39th precinct they say and he's the one who is investigating Max's shooting Max greavy. And basically they're like, Are you okay with him coming over and essentially joining as your part And in investigating in this case, and craigan doesn't really want Logan involved in investigating Max's shooting because he feels like Logan is not doing well might make bad decisions might, obviously I mean, we've seen at least one boiler alert does make bad decisions. So, you know, he's he's hesitant, but again, Logan says I'm fine. And then he asks how Craig is and Craig and says I'm fine. So this is the I'm fine episode. We cut to the dais office, and they're talking about who could have leaked the information about previous testimony and they start kind of ruling out some names. The first person they go and talk to is a guy named man again, Magadan, some kind of name like that I forget. And he's like, Nope, I didn't say anything to anybody. And so they leave. We cut to the police station, wild west bathroom that we mentioned in season one. And so Retta says that he really needs Logan involved in this case, I need you to run point on it. So they go to interview a construction worker about these stolen pipes, stolen construction supplies. And he says that he supplied the materials in this, like the original case that they had been investigating that greevey was going to testify in. And but he doesn't know anything about the, you know, mysterious fall that the building inspector had falling off the roof of the construction. He's like, I didn't have anything to do with that. But clearly, the guy was pushed off to cover something up. So he says go and talk to a man named Morgan stern.

26:33

More concern, like Rhoda

26:36

Oh my God, I forgot that was her last name. I kept looking at that going God That reminds me of something and I can't think of what it is. Did you ever watch Rhoda? Like this show Rhoda?

26:44

Yes, I loved Rhoda. I liked

26:46

her too. I thought it was as good as Mary Tyler Moore. So stern gives up the name of a man named Daniel Magadan, who is the son of the grand jury for men and we get Magadan senior in an interrogation room and they say like Why did you tell your son about the grand jury? What did you tell him? This leak of information led to the murder of a police officer. And he said that his son just had a friend who he wanted to know like, quote, what the grand jury was getting, like, what information were they getting? And he said to his father that greevey was apparently going to give up some names. So Logan shows up at his house later Magadan senior and tells him that his son is covering up for someone or he's covering up for somebody and it's wrong and he needs to know who because his partner was killed because of Father, Magadan. He's not a pretty stupid Magadan senior. He said he needed info about the grand jury for a friend, but maybe there was no friend maybe he needed the information for himself. So Logan kind of deduces from this that the guy son killed greavy and tells him, you know, I need to know where your son is. And the guy says, Okay, I'll tell you where my son is, but not but you have to swear you won't hurt him and Logan's like, I swear, of course.

28:07

Sounds very legit.

28:08

I mean, yeah. So Logan does the right thing, of course, as he always does. And instead of getting other people involved, he just tracks the guy so low at night, and kind of rough houses him and then pushes him up against a wall, pulls out his gun and sticks it to the side of his head to question him. So when I said he does the right thing, I was of course being sarcastic. Right, the wrong, wrong choice. So he asks Daniel Magadan if he killed the building inspector and greevey to shut him up. And the guy's like, No, I didn't do anything I didn't. I'm just you know, I'm just innocent. I've never done anything. Logan forces the guy to like, kneel down, sticks the gun in the back of his head, and it's like, this is how you killed my partner. And the guys like I didn't kill anybody. Looks like I didn't believe you. I'm only gonna ask you one more time, Danny Boy, why am I doing a Batman voice for Lucas Logan's

29:03

doing a Batman voice he's really laying it on. Like, he's like, he gotta get raspy. I gotta get a little gravelly here. Yeah, my hair is in my face. I gotta have a voice to match.

29:17

So with his with Logan's gun in the back of his head, the guy confesses that he did kill greavy. And so they bring him into the station for questioning. And serata the other detective who I forgot to look this up, but I'm pretty sure he's sort of the stand in for greevey. During this season, he's kind of the the the replacement Yeah, ongoing. Is that right? I'm

29:37

sure.

29:38

He asks Matt Matt again, to walk him through the events of the evening. And he says, you know, he thought he could scare greavy off maybe threatened his wife to get him to change his mind about testifying. And he doesn't really know why he killed him. He says he just kind of lost it. But he bought by the way, there are this is another one where the actor is either making choices or the director gave weird directions to him to sort of behave strangely in a way that is never explained, you know, like, where they're like the bailiff is acting drunk, but Oh, never part of the storyline. They they kind of had him acting in a way that indicated some kind of like maybe mental health issues going on. But they never developed to that as part of the storyline. So it was just kind of you were left sort of going like this characters just behaving oddly.

30:29

So it was strange. And there were a lot of strange like little details to the plot regarding them, the whole crime itself that were just so like, not fleshed out.

30:39

No, they didn't really make this was another one where they, you know, I think law and order does is that it's best when there are as few characters involved in a case as possible. Like the case that was based on the Menendez brothers was obviously really easy, because it was two sons and the mother and father, right? Yeah, this one, there's lots of like, Who knew who who said, What? It's kind of like the police corruption when we got last season where we're like, what is

31:06

what why are we doing? Yeah, it's like they really wanted to get to the idea of Logan having this moment in the alleyway with that guy, and the crime that got us there was like, didn't matter in consequential. Yes, exactly. They didn't set up a good backstory to lead us to this moment. But

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when does law in order give us a good backstory? Okay, so the guy also gives up the location of the weapon. He says that it's hidden in a toolbox in a trailer that belongs to the construction company. So Retta, through his interview with this suspect, Daniel Madigan finds out that Logan had essentially coerced this testimony with a gun to the guy's head, which is a problem for the district attorney because you can't have coerced testimonies. That's not how things are supposed to work, really. But Logan tries to kind of like cover this up and is like, Oh, well, he's a cop killer. You can't really believe him. Do you really think I would have killed him? And serrata says, like, I don't know you well enough to know. I liked that moment. Because I was like, good, good for you. Although, you know, hey, he kind of different. There's a lot of this that kind of touches on the elements from the final episode of last season, that blue wall where it was like, police, like there's a scene where they have Craig and basically be like, well, maybe he saw a gun maybe it was dark. He was concerned for safety. Like there's all of these justifications they're jumping through to say like this wasn't a coerced testimony. Logan was just doing his job and to like keep himself safe. He had to pull the gun on this guy, which we all which having seen it we all know is not correct.

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Yeah. You know, they present it as though they're trying to think the best of him. And now you know, let's let's give him the benefit of the doubt. But you can tell the whole time they're saying all the things they're like, yeah, we know who we know who we know.

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He didn't do it. Yeah. So we cut to the construction site. And sure enough, they find the gun in the toolbox and they pick it up using their favorite piece of detective equipment a pen, which they stick in the barrel of the gun. Again, I am not a forensic expert. I am not a crime scene investigator but that just again doesn't seem like the right way to handle evidence to me.

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Yeah, like when they're analyzing the data they're like and this mark on the inside of the barrel of the gun where the the evidence has been tampered with has the standard eraser mark.

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Okay, okay, so they get the gun and then we get to a court scene with McGann's lawyer who is from legal aid, and he is wearing the world's grossest ponytail. And basically says to Robinette, like, you know, hey, I'm this guy's Legal Aid attorney. I don't really have any skin in this game. But once his It was kind of unclear. But basically, he implied that there were going to be some hotshot lawyers coming in to defend this guy. And so he was like, Listen, you're in trouble with this case, because the testimony was obtained under gunpoint, like your case is going to fall apart the minute it goes to trial. And so robinet is like, Okay, I guess we have to try to get some other evidence and kind of figure out what happened here because this whole logon course the testimony thing is ruining our case. And we didn't know about that until the legal aid guy just told us because the police didn't share that information with us.

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And I love that the legal aid guy like knows how this stuff because generally Legal Aid people are generally shown as like they don't know anything. They're sort of like a writer just to fill a spot. Yes, which is not.

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So there's lots of evidence documentation that Legal Aid attorneys are super super overburdened with case loads, and so they there's like a reputation that legally lawyers like aren't as good when in actuality They're just so overloaded, they can't do the, they can't always do the caliber of job that they might want to, if that makes sense. So then we get to a scene in the police station with all the cops in the district attorney's, and they're trying to get the story out of Logan and whether he coerced this testimony. And stone breaks him through some of his trademark close talking, he gets really, really close to Logan's face. And basically, it's like this is fruit of the poisoned tree. If the first confession is coerced, any subsequent testimony is coerced, you're you've kind of ruined our case here, we get a moment of Logan in therapy, it does not do anything important for the story. And then we go to a scene where stone essentially is telling Logan, you know, I as district attorney, I have to prosecute this case fairly. And I have information that you coerce as testimony, you are being charged with a misdemeanor, you need to talk to cragin because you could risk you're losing your badge, you could risk losing your pension, this was a big fuckup. But through a couple of scenes that I'm not going to describe at length, we essentially find out that the saving grace in the case is that the gun that they say is the gun, because prior to Logan getting this course testimony, they had had warrants to search the construction grounds and they would have found the gun during those searches. So they're saying that's still our admissible evidence. His prints are on it. It's the gun that killed greavy. Like that's how we're going to win this case, even though the Collette confession was coerced. So during the trial, there's a moment where the guy who had given up Magadan basically mentioned that Logan held a gun to Magadan, his head. And so there's this kind of explosive middlemen in the courtroom where the prosecution calls for a mistrial, or sorry, the defense calls for a mistrial. But the judge overrules the case. And ultimately, Daniel Madigan is found guilty of killing Detective greavy. And he is sentenced to life without the possibility of parole. And then we end of the episode with Logan in therapy, who is basically like, I have to find a way to forgive myself. And then the the therapist is like, acceptance. That's the last stage. And that's the end of the first episode of season two of law and order can fashion these iMac and fashion.

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Great job I was sad about.